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this is somewhere in the skies with

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Ryan's spray

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uh-oh our permit America lusco get this

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all to you oh yeah yeah very very useful

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even laughs I must be in motherís on the

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SOC or it'll work we also don't want to

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contribute at the module here on aah oh

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no oh yeah you want to set up the voices

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you just heard came from a transmission

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between ground personnel and members of

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the mexican air force on March 5th 2004

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over the city of Carmen compadre an Air

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Force by motor plane was on a routine

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flight to detect a drug-smuggling

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airplane during their patrol however

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members of the crew witnessed no less

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than eleven unidentified flying objects

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in close proximity these objects were

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recorded on the planes dome mounted

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infrared camera system they showed

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bright balls of solid light floating

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stationary at high altitudes the crew

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claimed that these objects then began to

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surround the plane eventually the crew

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made a safe landing in a report of the

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event was prepared the Secretary of

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Defense took notice and begin a full

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investigation studying and evaluating

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every element of the case the video and

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accompanying transmissions were made

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public

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weaving many to believe this was an

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authentic UFO event in midair the others

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were more skeptical believing it was

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nothing more than oil platform burn off

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flares from a refinery below

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no matter the case this UFO event was

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one of the many unsolved mysteries that

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have been baited the skies over Mexico

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and as well learn today they've invaded

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the ground as well my guest is Ruben

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Uriarte Ruben is a member of MUFON as a

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field investigator state MUFON Director

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for Northern California and deputy

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director of investigations and

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international affairs he has authored a

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number of books co-written with Texas

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UFO researcher no tours about major UFO

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crashes and other historical cases that

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heard along the borders of the United

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States and Mexico today we talk about

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the Cisco Grove incident in which a UFO

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witness spent an entire night fighting

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off a gang of strange beings he believes

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or from another planet we then move into

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the incredible case of pilot carlos de

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los santos who while mid-flight was

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surrounded by three saucer shaped ufos

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we also talk about the controversial and

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lesser-known UFO crash known as the

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coyote incident so without further ado

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here is our conversation with Ruben

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Ruben thank you so much for joining us

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on somewhere in disguise Oh Thank You

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grant for the invitation and glad to be

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here with you and your audience

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great I've been following your work for

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a while now I've seen you speak several

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times and you never cease to amaze me

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with bringing new fresh cases you know

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we have our Roswell's we have our

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Rendlesham z-- but there are so many

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other fascinating cases with evidence

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out there that people don't know about

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so we're definitely going to talk about

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some of those today and one of those

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cases is it's absolutely fascinating

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this is the 1964 Cisco Grove encounter

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and this one like I said isn't talked

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about much and it's a little out there

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to be honest when I first heard about it

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but those are the ones I find the most

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fascinating so for our listeners who may

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not be familiar with it what do you mind

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running us through this incredible case

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and also how you got involved

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researching it because I know you have

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first-hand research and investigation

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into this yes

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Thank You Ryan I just want to preface

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that the research that I've been doing

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Mexico I've been working very closely

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with my good friend and colleague Noah

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Torres who we have co-authored a number

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of books together and on the whole

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subject of bore of the u.s. u.s. and

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Mexico border incidents which now has

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really has opened up a lot more forests

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in terms of networking with the number

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of the Mexican investigators and with a

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number of other people as well and it's

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been ongoing of course I've been with

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MUFON Rito UFO network for approximately

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25 years now my god congratulations oh

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hey well that's my edge but you know I

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serve as an international coordinator as

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well as state director for Northern

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California and so throughout this whole

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period of time I've been working with a

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number of very very professional people

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that are in L'Enfant and also outside to

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move on so there's a number of dedicated

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people that are like me r2n like

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yourself you know we're trying to find

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out what the truth is and and also look

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at those cases so specifically both noe

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and I have been concentrating on these

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historic cases that are not heard of as

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you had mentioned and if we don't really

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share that the audience or the UFO

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community as well as the general

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community will not know about these

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significant cases we tend to concentrate

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on those and it's amazing Brian there

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are a number so many interesting cases

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that go back in the late 40s early 50s

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and 60s and on and I think you know we

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should not forget about them and also

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the pioneers that we've had the former

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investigators that are out there that

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worked on these cases that are no longer

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here but they've left their significant

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contributions were for us as well as the

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future generations to keep researching

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have that material available but going

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back to the this one encounter or we

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call it agents in divorce

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let's just go probe UFO encounter which

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we wrote a book about it it's an

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interesting story

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Brian by gentleman by the name of Don

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and it's his experience happened back in

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1964 in September in an area known as

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Cisco Grove which is about 80 miles

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northeast Sacramento going toward the

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data and it's an area near what we call

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there near the Tahoe National Forest and

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he was approximately 26 years old at the

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time and he was also a bow and arrow

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hunter so he hunted for deer and

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to bring a bow and arrow and not any

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firearms until later for the hunting

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season so he and his buddies had decided

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to spend a weekend to do some hunting

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and there was two other gentlemen they'd

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join him and when they arrived at the

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camp's at their campsite he decided they

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would just take an early evening hunt so

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all of a sudden it just got real dark

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reconsider the show he should await it

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dark and he just he knew he could get

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lions and bears and that and he was a

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another woodsman as well so he climbed

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up a tree and later that evening he got

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down and he started some little

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campfires and willing behold he saw a

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light out there in the distance and his

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light came closer to him and he thought

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it was a helicopter well Danny he was

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concerned because he said wait a minute

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there's no sound and all sudden this

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light appeared to him and he realized

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that this was not a light

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you could see the silhouette of a large

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cylinder shape object flying right above

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them and that frightened the heck out of

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him he immediately climbed back up on

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the tree and hid him hid and then the

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office of a small scout ship a smaller

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mothership yeah and the small object

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landed auntie zerrin his industry and

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them and yeah then when he looked at

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unusual round was that it looked like

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they were wearing spacesuits grindingly

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these large eyes and from what from what

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he was remembered and later it was

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followed by another creature more of a

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robot and it started to also approach up

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to the tree so they were interested in

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them and they were trying to get him

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down from the tree and he fought with

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him all night that was a struggle

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so this incident was investigated way

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back by gentleman named Paul Cerny he

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was with night cap a national

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investigation Center for an almost

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phenomena and they it was the largest

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organization at that time and Paul was

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the lead investigator and he later

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received the the case on this this

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gentleman finally had filed a report

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so Paul went to interviewed him this

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back in 65 and he put together a very

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detailed report a transcript and an

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audio of his investigation so the way I

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got involved in it was years later Paul

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I passed away and and I acquired a

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number of his cases is when he was with

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night cap up I forgot to mention that

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Paul was also with MUFON

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okay so that's how you two got connect

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yeah that's oh so well he so I found the

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case and later I read it and I thought

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oh my god I said who ever thought what

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would what would I do about if I'm

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hiking it I get lost or hunting and what

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would I do and you know what if I had an

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encounter with with extraterrestrials

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and out through synchronicity I was able

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to lead for them through another

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colleague and move on and we he invited

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me to come and stay an equal weekend

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with him they're there as home with his

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family and I got a really it was a great

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opportunity to really interview him

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basically go over the notes that I had

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and materials that I had acquired there

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were almost approximately 50 years

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Wow and I tell you that his he relived

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investor lived the experience with me

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and it was as if he was there and was

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still fresh in his mind because he was

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traumatized by this experience I can

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imagine yeah yeah and and so what was

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really fortunate was that his son

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videotaped the entire interview that I

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did with him and we were able to compile

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both video and audio tapes of the

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questions in the and his responses each

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of the questions and I believe we will

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have a chance to share that with the

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audience but also one of the wishes of

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both he and his wife was that they

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wanted his story to be put into a book

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it may end as told by them because there

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were a lot of variations of stories that

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were being misconstrued or whatever um

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and so we were very fortunate to have

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been been able to both know Ani to right

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there with their story into a book and

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unfortunately both he and his wife

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passed away and he survived by his son

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and two other daughters but released I

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feel good that we have complied you know

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with their their with their dreams or

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wishes as we were able to put it into a

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book form and also we could share the

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story now with with the audience so yeah

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it is a very significant event here that

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happened in Northern California and also

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later if we get a chance I like to share

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with you another similar story of three

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young man

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actually there were Boy Scouts in Mexico

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along the border that also had a similar

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experience where they had an encounter

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with with extraterrestrials where they

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had him seek refuge in a tree and then

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later there was a number of these beings

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came right up to them and that's a whole

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other story which I don't know yes sure

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yeah let's um what would you know Ruben

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is I'd like to share some of that audio

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from your personal interviews so we'll

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go ahead and play one of those right now

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and I heard some thrashing through the

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brush and probably 5-10 minutes these

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two humanoids come out of the brush and

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they kind of broke some of the brush off

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and and was looking at it then they came

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straight underneath the tree and looked

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up at me and I knew right then I was

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fingered they found you yeah they found

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me can you describe him for

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yeah they were looked like four or five

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feet of course I'm looking down at them

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so they'd be shorter than they probably

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are and they had a silvery like a

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one-piece suit on and it seemed like it

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had led the joints puffy joints you know

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on the shoulders and elbows and and the

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legs I didn't see that clear were you

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able to see their faces no it was just a

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kind of a dark shadow I could see the

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the two like eyes that were looked like

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welding goggles to me and the same as

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welding goggles about two inches in

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diameter it remind me just like I said

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like I worked welding goggles and then

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the rest of the face was kind of a blur

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I couldn't see looking down at him then

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I saw two flashing red orange eyes just

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picking his way down the ridge just to

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clean the rocks and and around them and

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everything and come down and was on this

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big boulder this big flat rock and then

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he kind of looked up at me and he moved

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his hand to the fire cinders and kind of

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scattered him then he come down up on

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the rock he was about seven feet from me

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and then he he touched his mouth and the

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kind of a steam vapor come out of his

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mouth and it lit up his face so I could

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see some detail and then I blacked out

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when that steam hit me kind of took the

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air from me not gasp for air and then

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blackout and I fell over my bow that's

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the only thing that kept me in the tree

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and then so I figured they were out to

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get me then the eyes of the other

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feature like the robot but what did I

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look like you and it had kind of like

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fire it's kind of a orange reddish

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orange and her yellowish orange it kind

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of flickered like fire and they're about

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the same diameter is about two inches in

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diameter as the humanoids did you hear

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any noise between them in the

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communication was there any you know I

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heard kind of a cooing or almost like an

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owl but it could have been an owl you

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know that up there but it just kind of

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fit in with with them I had a 60 pound

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bow which is a very high velocity since

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seeing how the robot the only thing that

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was causing me harm I shot the chest

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area and it has the velocity of a rifle

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at that at that distance because I'm

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only about seven eight feet from him and

364
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it when I hit the chest the sparks would

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fly like an arc welder kind of and then

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that that robot backed up and almost

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knocked him down he kind of fell back

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against the rock and the two at the

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bottom took off and headed for the brush

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and stood out there about thirty feet

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from me and then I shot two more arrows

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and it was about the same time sequence

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these two humanoids would every time I'd

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shoot they'd go back up into the brush

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just out just almost out of sight from

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me then I ran out of arrows so I only

377
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had three left and I thought well I had

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that's when palmade haired they just I

379
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mean the cap I had on was just soaked

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with oil your is for your hair yeah for

381
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my hair yeah yeah yeah pomade and I

382
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always carried all kinds of books and

383
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matches with me when I hunted and so I

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lift that cap and it just blazed up and

385
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I dropped it down the base of the tree

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and just in that instant they moved back

387
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about 1215 feet and that the glanced

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over at the ship that was over the

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canyon kind of almost level with me and

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it was almost out of

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it was just like a star it moved that

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fast just in that second so then I got

393
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the idea that they're scared of fire

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so I burned everything but my t-shirt

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and our jeans and come to find out later

396
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on it that it was 32 degrees out and I

397
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was shaking and kind of over exposed for

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the weather well when I throw it through

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my after my hat I threw my canteen down

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and they picked it up and looked at it

401
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and threw it back down and I at one time

402
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I threw I had a bunch of change and I

403
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threw it down and they they all kind of

404
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gathered around it somebody told me on

405
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the coins that it gets dates because

406
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pictures you know so there was maybe

407
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that was the reason they were that they

408
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got most of the coins he is fighting no

409
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but what about the robot creature with

410
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what it is well if after I started

411
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burning stuff and throwing it down and I

412
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even tied some some of my shirt that I

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ripped up to a compass so I could try to

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hit some brush because there wasn't

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nothing right underneath the tree and

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then I caught a little pile of brush on

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fire I figured that would bring the

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Calvary that when I run out of stuff to

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burn I headed for the top of the tree

420
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and then then I I'd it was pretty sparse

421
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tree I could see down to the ground and

422
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I broke off the top and threw it down

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and anytime I throw down or shake the

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tree these humanoids would back up when

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I was up in the top of that tree I

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thought about just jumping off and

427
00:21:04,169 --> 00:21:01,539
jumping down the canyon and just killing

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myself but don't accept me going is I

429
00:21:09,210 --> 00:21:06,909
had the little girl my wife that kept me

430
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fighting after I went to the top of the

431
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tree

432
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I had a military belt and I moved it out

433
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to the last hitch and put it around me

434
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in the tree so in case I did get gassed

435
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they would I wouldn't fall down and then

436
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finally these two humanoids step back on

437
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the tree and another robot came and

438
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there was two just about the same place

439
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that the two humanoids were

440
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this they stood facing each other and

441
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the flames just like lightning real real

442
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bright and just came between them and

443
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then that gas was so thick coming up the

444
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tree that it it would dissipate just

445
00:21:53,530 --> 00:21:50,840
about the time I got to me but then

446
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that's when I'd start gasp for air and

447
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and then when I woke up from that is it

448
00:22:02,770 --> 00:21:59,720
was light but the Sun hadn't come up yet

449
00:22:05,020 --> 00:22:02,780
and I was just hanging by my belt my

450
00:22:07,780 --> 00:22:05,030
head down my feet down and they were

451
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gone well I knew I made it I lived

452
00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:09,920
through the night just go back did you

453
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did you fall asleep or just gasp it was

454
00:22:18,010 --> 00:22:15,050
over did it overwhelm you

455
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:18,020
yeah that's when it just it completely

456
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engulfed the whole tree and got up to me

457
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and I don't know how long I was I was

458
00:22:31,570 --> 00:22:27,260
out but it was just you can see just a

459
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dim glow of the Sun in the on the clouds

460
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not clouds but in the sky and in when I

461
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woke up it was light but the Sun hadn't

462
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:40,610
come up yet I got down and I I found

463
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this on my compass and and no coins the

464
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coins were gone and my Kent canteen that

465
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I knew a which way I shot the arrow in

466
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which way it would arc so I found two of

467
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them and then tried to make my way back

468
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to camp and I got almost a camp and I

469
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just kind of fatigue and everything I

470
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just laid down and I heard this my buddy

471
00:23:12,220 --> 00:23:09,320
hunting buddy whistling and I yelled at

472
00:23:14,620 --> 00:23:12,230
him and he could he come pick me up and

473
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help me to camp I slept for about six

474
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hours because I had been up all night

475
00:23:23,020 --> 00:23:19,640
and then they didn't bug me until you

476
00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:23,030
know until I woke up then I told them

477
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:24,110
more of the story

478
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those it was a reaction

479
00:23:32,380 --> 00:23:29,000
well they believe me because they saw

480
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condition I was in that's C that's

481
00:23:37,930 --> 00:23:34,760
absolutely fascinating to hear from the

482
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:37,940
witnesses themselves Ruben is a it's

483
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:40,850
rare and it's like you said this is a

484
00:23:45,250 --> 00:23:43,010
both he and his wife have since passed

485
00:23:46,690 --> 00:23:45,260
away so some of these audio interviews

486
00:23:49,030 --> 00:23:46,700
are all we have left

487
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,040
including your book to hear the most

488
00:23:53,380 --> 00:23:51,440
accurate story so thank you for sharing

489
00:23:56,140 --> 00:23:53,390
that with me and with the audience

490
00:23:57,700 --> 00:23:56,150
I'd love to dive right into the other

491
00:23:59,860 --> 00:23:57,710
case you mentioned that is almost

492
00:24:02,170 --> 00:23:59,870
similar but in a completely different

493
00:24:04,750 --> 00:24:02,180
part of the world would you mind sharing

494
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:04,760
that story with us yes what's also very

495
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:07,810
interesting that's passive Siller

496
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:11,450
similarities to the Cisco Grove case was

497
00:24:17,470 --> 00:24:14,210
an event that happened by three young

498
00:24:23,710 --> 00:24:17,480
men that were separated from a hiking

499
00:24:27,910 --> 00:24:23,720
excursion back in May May 16 of 19 1997

500
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and this happened in the rugged border

501
00:24:34,690 --> 00:24:31,010
desert not known as la la la raza and

502
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:34,700
that is in northern Baja California it's

503
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a real rugged area and it stretches on

504
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:40,670
both sides of the border these young men

505
00:24:48,510 --> 00:24:45,410
were hiking and they were going to

506
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:48,520
follow it were all part of a Boy Scout

507
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:53,090
excursion and the entire troop went

508
00:24:59,140 --> 00:24:55,730
hiking into toward some waterfalls of

509
00:25:00,580 --> 00:24:59,150
where it was like a hotspot not really

510
00:25:03,370 --> 00:25:00,590
about ten miles away from their main

511
00:25:07,780 --> 00:25:03,380
campsite and somehow these these young

512
00:25:10,810 --> 00:25:07,790
men were following the main the main

513
00:25:14,140 --> 00:25:10,820
group and when they were returning back

514
00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:14,150
from the campsite they took the wrong

515
00:25:20,410 --> 00:25:18,310
trail and along the trail they noticed

516
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:20,420
there were a lot of rattlesnakes

517
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:24,170
big ones and now obviously there they

518
00:25:29,020 --> 00:25:27,050
just said hey we're and it was starting

519
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:29,030
to get dark and then they thought

520
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:32,330
they're going to try to stop stop and

521
00:25:37,780 --> 00:25:34,730
start a campfire and they they saw ate

522
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:37,790
some trees and so they decided to get

523
00:25:42,820 --> 00:25:40,640
close to the trees and start a campfire

524
00:25:45,789 --> 00:25:42,830
and it couldn't and it's just started

525
00:25:48,430 --> 00:25:45,799
getting darker so then they decided to

526
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,440
climb up the tree and protect themselves

527
00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:50,960
from not only the rattlesnakes but for

528
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:53,270
many other predators as well but later

529
00:25:59,650 --> 00:25:56,960
that evening they saw again oh it's very

530
00:26:01,720 --> 00:25:59,660
similar like like the Cisco Cisco Grove

531
00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:01,730
case these bright lights that were far

532
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:04,370
away and he thought oh maybe that's a

533
00:26:09,580 --> 00:26:06,850
search party or maybe that's a

534
00:26:11,860 --> 00:26:09,590
helicopter they just kept looking and

535
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:11,870
they kept looking and the lights were

536
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:15,200
coming closer and closer to them and all

537
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:16,970
of a sudden they realized the light

538
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:20,570
started taking it was taken a certain

539
00:26:26,409 --> 00:26:22,450
form was formed like these small

540
00:26:29,140 --> 00:26:26,419
humanoids only they were glowing white

541
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:29,150
they're like a like a bioluminescent

542
00:26:32,830 --> 00:26:30,320
color okay

543
00:26:36,460 --> 00:26:32,840
and these guys were we're approaching

544
00:26:39,340 --> 00:26:36,470
the tree and he came up to the tree and

545
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:39,350
whatever this is well what I find

546
00:26:44,919 --> 00:26:41,210
fascinating right was that whatever they

547
00:26:47,169 --> 00:26:44,929
touch um that would glow like they would

548
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:47,179
touch a rock or they would hatch a plant

549
00:26:53,230 --> 00:26:50,330
or touch the tree their handprint with

550
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,240
glue Oh interesting so yeah it would

551
00:26:57,539 --> 00:26:55,520
almost like be transported or it was

552
00:27:00,039 --> 00:26:57,549
almost like a contagious luminescence

553
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:00,049
exactly and I thought that was and plus

554
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:02,690
their bodies were going right right yeah

555
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:05,090
and I thought well why carry a class

556
00:27:09,460 --> 00:27:07,250
noise yeah Alex employing your bodies

557
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:09,470
blowing in and whatever you touch is lit

558
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:11,330
up and I thought that I was pretty

559
00:27:24,990 --> 00:27:22,299
going back to going back to the bow and

560
00:27:28,419 --> 00:27:25,000
arrow case I forgot to mention that in

561
00:27:32,289 --> 00:27:28,429
in that particular story with Don shrum

562
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:32,299
both these alien creatures in alien

563
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:34,850
humanoids as well as the robot creature

564
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:37,490
what we're trying to capture him and

565
00:27:42,850 --> 00:27:40,850
we're trying to knock him out with a

566
00:27:46,020 --> 00:27:42,860
some sort of vapor that was being

567
00:27:50,590 --> 00:27:46,030
emitted from the from the robot creature

568
00:27:54,430 --> 00:27:50,600
so what happened was he um

569
00:27:56,380 --> 00:27:54,440
Dawn was on survival mode and he

570
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:56,390
climbed up further up the tree and then

571
00:28:01,810 --> 00:27:58,880
he started breaking down the limbs

572
00:28:04,660 --> 00:28:01,820
Seanna get matched match sticks with him

573
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:04,670
and he would light tree branches on fire

574
00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:07,570
and throw a throw him down toward he

575
00:28:10,780 --> 00:28:10,220
toward the humanoids and that's what's

576
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:10,790
right

577
00:28:16,270 --> 00:28:14,480
they were they were afraid of the fire

578
00:28:19,450 --> 00:28:16,280
and they immediately backed up and so

579
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:19,460
did the robot and then as soon as the

580
00:28:23,020 --> 00:28:21,170
fire would die down and they would just

581
00:28:27,310 --> 00:28:23,030
come right back up to the tree and he

582
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:27,320
was he was uh maybe about 15 20 feet up

583
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:30,410
up up on the tree and then he would sway

584
00:28:36,130 --> 00:28:33,050
the tree back and forth just to frighten

585
00:28:39,790 --> 00:28:36,140
those by writing them as well but they

586
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:39,800
stayed there and what happened was he

587
00:28:45,730 --> 00:28:43,370
finally got that up in and annoyed by

588
00:28:48,790 --> 00:28:45,740
the robot creature and he had three

589
00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:48,800
arrows with him and he shot all three

590
00:28:53,620 --> 00:28:51,710
arrows at the robot creature at first he

591
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:53,630
had thought about shooting two humanoids

592
00:28:57,730 --> 00:28:55,730
but then he thought no they're not good

593
00:29:01,000 --> 00:28:57,740
not really bothering me and something

594
00:29:03,550 --> 00:29:01,010
told him inside not to do that steady

595
00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:03,560
shot at the at the rope at the robot

596
00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:09,310
creatures so with that there was another

597
00:29:14,140 --> 00:29:12,260
group of avian said also or he would I

598
00:29:16,990 --> 00:29:14,150
said arrived at with another robot

599
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:17,000
creature and then to both to the robot

600
00:29:22,810 --> 00:29:19,850
creatures arrived both another robot

601
00:29:24,580 --> 00:29:22,820
approached the robot that was next to

602
00:29:26,350 --> 00:29:24,590
the tree it both stared at each other

603
00:29:29,890 --> 00:29:26,360
and then there was also there was a

604
00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:29,900
select row magnetic lightning and

605
00:29:34,140 --> 00:29:31,310
everything in his force field just

606
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:34,150
opened up and then it both both robots

607
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:37,310
admitted this huge plume of gas to wind

608
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:41,330
up and toward dawn and dawn became

609
00:29:46,030 --> 00:29:43,490
unconscious what what happened was dawn

610
00:29:48,910 --> 00:29:46,040
head was smart he had wrapped his belt

611
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:48,920
around himself and around the tree trunk

612
00:29:54,460 --> 00:29:51,170
to prevent him from falling right right

613
00:29:58,030 --> 00:29:54,470
yeah so uh so when he woke up the next

614
00:30:01,000 --> 00:29:58,040
morning they were gone and yet he was

615
00:30:03,250 --> 00:30:01,010
there dangling in the tree so he he was

616
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:03,260
able to get down from the tree he found

617
00:30:06,820 --> 00:30:04,850
some of his arrows some of the things

618
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:06,830
that he had thrown at him and he went

619
00:30:11,639 --> 00:30:08,320
back to the campsite

620
00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:11,649
found his friends and he was totally

621
00:30:18,990 --> 00:30:15,190
exhausted he fell asleep for about six

622
00:30:20,669 --> 00:30:19,000
hours and then later went back to we

623
00:30:23,249 --> 00:30:20,679
went back home to share the experience

624
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,259
with his family and there's a lot more

625
00:30:28,379 --> 00:30:25,360
to it where we got worthier for sudden

626
00:30:31,409 --> 00:30:28,389
well now now I'm going to jump back to

627
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:31,419
the Mexican the case where these three

628
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:35,200
young men were up on the tree and when

629
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:39,840
these beings there were they had a

630
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:43,690
they're very curious they said wow you

631
00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:46,210
know think think about this the right

632
00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:50,710
hand in both both cases you have these

633
00:30:54,930 --> 00:30:53,950
witnesses climbing climbing up on a tree

634
00:30:58,159 --> 00:30:54,940
I mean why would he

635
00:31:00,509 --> 00:30:58,169
you would have it's not your normal

636
00:31:04,169 --> 00:31:00,519
normal thing where you find humans in a

637
00:31:06,090 --> 00:31:04,179
tree but right for some reason he's both

638
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:06,100
in both cases they're they were in the

639
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:08,110
wrong place at the wrong time and it

640
00:31:13,529 --> 00:31:09,610
just so happened that there would be a

641
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:13,539
UFO hovering in that area and catching

642
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:17,710
the curiosity so what these got what

643
00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:20,080
happened here Ryan was in this case to

644
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:22,740
the Mexican case the the beams

645
00:31:28,619 --> 00:31:25,840
approached him proposed the boys and

646
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:28,629
then they started to climb up the tree

647
00:31:34,529 --> 00:31:31,840
oh wow okay so Jan where the case is

648
00:31:37,879 --> 00:31:34,539
different yeah yeah they climbed up the

649
00:31:40,590 --> 00:31:37,889
tree and they got near the near the boys

650
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:40,600
but they didn't only kept their distance

651
00:31:47,879 --> 00:31:44,710
and so they kept climbing up the tree

652
00:31:51,869 --> 00:31:47,889
limb and it all said a small disc

653
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:51,879
hovered right above the tree and then it

654
00:31:57,389 --> 00:31:54,129
was followed by a number of other other

655
00:32:00,779 --> 00:31:57,399
trees an excuse me another a number of

656
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:00,789
other UFOs okay other in them so all of

657
00:32:07,950 --> 00:32:04,570
a sudden the door of the object opened

658
00:32:09,659 --> 00:32:07,960
up and the beings some of the beans were

659
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:09,669
able to climb up in the tree and they

660
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:11,710
use the tree to get like a ladder to

661
00:32:20,580 --> 00:32:17,529
climb into this wow that is so amazing

662
00:32:22,259 --> 00:32:20,590
well these these gentlemen are kept

663
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:22,269
looking these they saw that

664
00:32:27,779 --> 00:32:24,159
they're that the dead tree was

665
00:32:29,609 --> 00:32:27,789
surrounded by all my 40 I think they

666
00:32:32,909 --> 00:32:29,619
estimated there were 40 of these beings

667
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:32,919
that were there whoa and you noticed

668
00:32:38,369 --> 00:32:36,159
that they also paid attention to the

669
00:32:41,609 --> 00:32:38,379
plant life in rock so it was almost as

670
00:32:45,570 --> 00:32:41,619
if they were like on a site like a

671
00:32:47,159 --> 00:32:45,580
scientific expedition right right he

672
00:32:49,289 --> 00:32:47,169
also said that they were carrying a

673
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:49,299
small box and they would break off into

674
00:32:56,629 --> 00:32:51,519
groups and in each group one would carry

675
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:56,639
a small box so they kept observing these

676
00:33:04,499 --> 00:32:59,440
beings and then finally it got later

677
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:04,509
they left and then and then all sudden

678
00:33:10,169 --> 00:33:07,570
they they didn't hear anything but then

679
00:33:13,169 --> 00:33:10,179
they came back and they could hear all

680
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:13,179
this rustling down down below among the

681
00:33:19,109 --> 00:33:16,320
leaves and from what I remember was that

682
00:33:21,239 --> 00:33:19,119
they could see him and they find out

683
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:21,249
that perhaps these they were they were

684
00:33:28,139 --> 00:33:25,450
invisible so why didn't they didn't see

685
00:33:32,999 --> 00:33:28,149
them and then later or these beings came

686
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,009
back again and finally they'd left and

687
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:35,200
during throughout that time there was a

688
00:33:41,489 --> 00:33:39,369
number of these flying discs above the

689
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:41,499
round the tree - they would make

690
00:33:49,349 --> 00:33:46,089
formations into a triangle so then right

691
00:33:52,589 --> 00:33:49,359
around dawn and finally the boys when

692
00:33:55,349 --> 00:33:52,599
the when the Sun came up and then the

693
00:33:57,930 --> 00:33:55,359
beans were gone they climbed down the

694
00:34:00,269 --> 00:33:57,940
tree and they checked themselves to make

695
00:34:02,639 --> 00:34:00,279
sure there everything was okay with them

696
00:34:05,789 --> 00:34:02,649
and then they decided to go ahead and

697
00:34:08,339 --> 00:34:05,799
climb back I'm assuming to go back to

698
00:34:12,839 --> 00:34:08,349
the campsite they decided to find the

699
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:12,849
main trail and later they ran into a

700
00:34:17,609 --> 00:34:16,000
small search party and so they were able

701
00:34:20,369 --> 00:34:17,619
to be directed back to the main camp

702
00:34:24,809 --> 00:34:20,379
site what happened in this case Ryan was

703
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:24,819
that this particular case was there it

704
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:27,010
was publicized throughout the national

705
00:34:33,539 --> 00:34:31,089
media in Mexico so and it would caught

706
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:33,549
the interest of a number of people the

707
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:36,250
local media as well and

708
00:34:42,930 --> 00:34:40,210
later mister I'm in my son who is the

709
00:34:45,659 --> 00:34:42,940
well-known journalist and has been

710
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:45,669
involved in UFO investigations in Mexico

711
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,159
he went to visit these boys two years

712
00:34:52,379 --> 00:34:51,040
later and he went back to the campsite

713
00:34:54,990 --> 00:34:52,389
mm-hmm

714
00:34:58,740 --> 00:34:55,000
long expedition and sure enough they did

715
00:35:00,599 --> 00:34:58,750
observe to being way out there they did

716
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:00,609
observe two of them through binoculars

717
00:35:10,109 --> 00:35:07,810
and that that area is very very has a

718
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:10,119
lot of anomalous activity as well as

719
00:35:18,540 --> 00:35:15,040
other areas along the border I don't

720
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:18,550
know you're saying when Jaime went with

721
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:21,520
the boys they actually had a sort of

722
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:23,170
far-off encounter they actually saw

723
00:35:31,890 --> 00:35:28,480
beings yes yeah and recently I was

724
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:31,900
invited to go down that go to a small

725
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:34,090
event that they were having the campsite

726
00:35:38,730 --> 00:35:36,730
to meet with the young boys without

727
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:38,740
their there this is almost twenty years

728
00:35:43,609 --> 00:35:39,310
later

729
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:43,619
raelia enough young men boat of it and

730
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:46,510
there was a reunion with them as well as

731
00:35:54,990 --> 00:35:51,310
with the number of local people and and

732
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:55,000
and the participants in this excursion

733
00:36:00,450 --> 00:35:57,490
that they had to meet with them so I was

734
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:00,460
invited to go and dad a small UFO

735
00:36:08,910 --> 00:36:04,240
conference in that area which I might be

736
00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:08,920
attending one later on in a year but the

737
00:36:14,370 --> 00:36:11,640
chance to interact with them as well as

738
00:36:17,329 --> 00:36:14,380
tying in to similarities between these

739
00:36:19,740 --> 00:36:17,339
both cases is quite interesting

740
00:36:22,859 --> 00:36:19,750
absolutely and I mean you know having

741
00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:22,869
met Donald and then having met these you

742
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,720
know at this point these young men what

743
00:36:29,460 --> 00:36:27,280
do you what do you make of the Boy

744
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:29,470
Scouts I want to ask you that Ruben what

745
00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:30,910
did you when they told you this story

746
00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:32,230
when you met them face to face

747
00:36:37,470 --> 00:36:34,990
um did you believe the story did it seem

748
00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:37,480
like they were they stuck to it yeah I

749
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:39,670
just wanted to clarify I didn't get a

750
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,010
chance to meet with them however I spoke

751
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:45,040
with the Maine young man who wrote a

752
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:48,640
book probably see oh I see okay he wrote

753
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:50,170
he wrote the book and I

754
00:36:57,090 --> 00:36:53,440
had contacted I had contacted him to get

755
00:37:00,660 --> 00:36:57,100
permission to tie in his to research

756
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:00,670
more his story and as well as putting

757
00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:03,850
together a presentation that I did last

758
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:08,020
year and I told oh yes I totally believe

759
00:37:12,060 --> 00:37:09,760
what he said what they experienced

760
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:12,070
really actually happened just like after

761
00:37:16,410 --> 00:37:13,690
when I spoke with him on the phone and

762
00:37:19,110 --> 00:37:16,420
it looked at the comparisons with the

763
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:19,120
with the notes that I had and with my

764
00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:22,240
interview with Don shrum I find them and

765
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:25,420
I find these boys to be in or these

766
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:27,250
young men to be of high character as

767
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:30,850
well as well at least this story it has

768
00:37:35,730 --> 00:37:33,610
a lot of credibility mm-hmm it sounds

769
00:37:37,530 --> 00:37:35,740
like it yeah and I mean what is there to

770
00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:37,540
gain from something like this you always

771
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:39,430
have to wonder when people come forward

772
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:41,610
with case they said incredible is these

773
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:45,280
yeah yeah that's the other thing is what

774
00:37:53,010 --> 00:37:49,210
I find is like with Don they he had it

775
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:53,020
and he was used a different name this

776
00:37:58,110 --> 00:37:56,170
concern was the same issues a lot of a

777
00:38:00,990 --> 00:37:58,120
lot of these folks who have encounters

778
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:01,000
or their experiences is there they're

779
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,800
concerned about the ridicule factor

780
00:38:06,660 --> 00:38:04,480
they're concerned about what their

781
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:06,670
families might think or or if there

782
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:08,410
might be a possibility that this will

783
00:38:13,350 --> 00:38:11,110
affect your job so gradually later these

784
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:13,360
these folks will finally come out and

785
00:38:19,620 --> 00:38:16,810
help put together or give a much more

786
00:38:22,410 --> 00:38:19,630
information on West apid to them and and

787
00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:22,420
if we were fortunate they may put it

788
00:38:29,310 --> 00:38:25,510
into a book so that lo one way we start

789
00:38:31,650 --> 00:38:29,320
tying in the the comparisons are with

790
00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:31,660
these different unique historical cases

791
00:38:37,650 --> 00:38:35,190
right absolutely and I mean while these

792
00:38:39,090 --> 00:38:37,660
while these cases happen somewhere on

793
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:39,100
the ground Ruben I want to talk about

794
00:38:43,650 --> 00:38:41,110
one that happened somewhere in the skies

795
00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:43,660
which is you know aptly the title of

796
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:46,630
this podcast this case KB chills

797
00:38:51,690 --> 00:38:49,330
nothing is more credible and more

798
00:38:55,170 --> 00:38:51,700
chilling than having a UFO encounter in

799
00:38:58,620 --> 00:38:55,180
the air um from pilots now could you

800
00:39:01,560 --> 00:38:58,630
please run us through the the sentence

801
00:39:03,980 --> 00:39:01,570
case because this one is by far one of

802
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:03,990
the most incredible cases I per

803
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:08,280
and talk about a close encounter oh yeah

804
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:12,240
this this case here really has one of

805
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:13,920
the most significant cases that I've

806
00:39:18,980 --> 00:39:16,650
come across they think through a number

807
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:18,990
of colleagues that have investigated

808
00:39:23,630 --> 00:39:21,690
investigated this case previously one of

809
00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:23,640
the reasons why I was so fascinated with

810
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:25,950
this case is that I need to go back in

811
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:28,050
and share with you about another case

812
00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:31,110
prior what God is what really got us

813
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:33,960
interested in the Carlos de los Santos

814
00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:37,650
case both noe and I I put together a

815
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:40,980
book called Mexico's Roswell oh yes of

816
00:39:44,140 --> 00:39:41,280
course

817
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:44,150
he's got a what will UFO crash and

818
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:48,090
that's where a an object had collided

819
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:51,210
with a small airplane over the the

820
00:39:57,710 --> 00:39:54,210
deserts of northern koala in an area

821
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:57,720
known as coyame way the story goes is

822
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:00,960
back in 1974 August 25th

823
00:40:09,230 --> 00:40:04,410
there was a small plane and from airport

824
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:09,240
flying toward Mexico City and in in that

825
00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:14,160
the same time there was a an object that

826
00:40:20,590 --> 00:40:17,880
was being monitored out in the Gulf of

827
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:20,600
Mexico that was flying toward Texas and

828
00:40:28,580 --> 00:40:25,650
over by the Houston the Gulf of Mexico

829
00:40:30,740 --> 00:40:28,590
area heading toward Texas and this

830
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:30,750
object was being picked up by US

831
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:33,690
military radar thinking the radar

832
00:40:39,410 --> 00:40:35,910
operator thought this that this could

833
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:39,420
have been a nice EBM that was not that

834
00:40:43,220 --> 00:40:41,130
may have been launched from a summary as

835
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:43,230
you turned out the object was around

836
00:40:48,290 --> 00:40:45,450
blinder about two thousand miles an hour

837
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:48,300
and it was up at seventy-five thousand

838
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:49,890
feet and then it started to descend

839
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:51,930
gradually and also they'd made a

840
00:40:57,500 --> 00:40:54,410
90-degree turn made an abrupt turn

841
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:57,510
avoided going into US airspace and flew

842
00:41:04,460 --> 00:41:01,440
into northern Mexico at that time that

843
00:41:06,859 --> 00:41:04,470
object collided assuming that object had

844
00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:06,869
blown over most of northern Mexico

845
00:41:12,620 --> 00:41:09,300
towards the Chihuahuan Desert and that's

846
00:41:15,020 --> 00:41:12,630
when the collision had occurred and now

847
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:15,030
not to go into much in depth about the

848
00:41:21,340 --> 00:41:17,930
story but what would I find fascinating

849
00:41:25,830 --> 00:41:21,350
of course is that in the attempts of the

850
00:41:28,420 --> 00:41:25,840
search to rescue by the Mexican army

851
00:41:32,770 --> 00:41:28,430
small disc and the disc was

852
00:41:35,410 --> 00:41:32,780
approximately 16 feet in diameter about

853
00:41:38,590 --> 00:41:35,420
five feet in height so it was a small D

854
00:41:41,740 --> 00:41:38,600
and small yeah yeah and and what's

855
00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:41,750
interesting was more to the story but

856
00:41:46,930 --> 00:41:44,510
the way we knew about this case it was

857
00:41:51,010 --> 00:41:46,940
through a report called identity port

858
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:51,020
Deneb was the name of the report that

859
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:55,130
was written by what we believe are a

860
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,370
group of military insiders these people

861
00:42:02,650 --> 00:42:00,560
really went in death or the poor the

862
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:02,660
writer they really went into depth about

863
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:06,880
the rescue and the attempts to get the

864
00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:09,890
saucer back and then unfortunately the

865
00:42:15,570 --> 00:42:12,440
Mexican soldiers were exposed to some

866
00:42:21,220 --> 00:42:15,580
sort of agents and they all died in the

867
00:42:23,740 --> 00:42:21,230
convoy so the boat what was interesting

868
00:42:26,890 --> 00:42:23,750
was that the eldest is being monitored

869
00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:26,900
and there was a large army base across

870
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:29,390
across the border in El Paso from

871
00:42:35,290 --> 00:42:32,000
worthless and immediately launched a

872
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:35,300
team and these guys went toward the

873
00:42:40,210 --> 00:42:38,330
toward the wreckage and also the convoy

874
00:42:41,230 --> 00:42:40,220
where they found all the soldiers who

875
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:41,240
were were dead

876
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:43,310
the difference is at the u.s. rescue

877
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:45,110
team they all wore protective clothing

878
00:42:50,140 --> 00:42:47,930
on protective equipment and then they

879
00:42:53,710 --> 00:42:50,150
immediately went toward the disc and

880
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:53,720
they were able to get it attached to one

881
00:42:58,690 --> 00:42:56,570
lock to a large helicopter penis and

882
00:43:02,260 --> 00:42:58,700
they was flown back to the border cross

883
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:02,270
to the US with a number of other other

884
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:04,370
helicopters so escorting the larger

885
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:08,090
helicopter back to the file while the

886
00:43:13,780 --> 00:43:11,450
date you know with the UFO dangling he

887
00:43:16,210 --> 00:43:13,790
has oh yeah there's a lot that's a whole

888
00:43:18,070 --> 00:43:16,220
weather interview there but a reasonable

889
00:43:20,620 --> 00:43:18,080
reason one of the fascinating things

890
00:43:25,540 --> 00:43:20,630
about this case it happened in August

891
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:25,550
25th of 1974 well it just so happens at

892
00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:28,850
eight months later armed approximately

893
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:31,630
in May May 3rd since the exact date

894
00:43:39,269 --> 00:43:35,839
1975 there was a pilot that reported

895
00:43:43,329 --> 00:43:39,279
that he was flying in he had a an

896
00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:43,339
accident one of the UFOs had hit his hit

897
00:43:53,229 --> 00:43:46,670
the underbelly of the fuselage then he

898
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:53,239
started to when he was flying he this is

899
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,130
what he had shared with me I think I met

900
00:44:01,479 --> 00:43:58,160
with him in person as well he was 23

901
00:44:04,509 --> 00:44:01,489
years old at the time and when he was

902
00:44:07,150 --> 00:44:04,519
flying he was flying toward the west

903
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:07,160
coast out of Mexico City lines and

904
00:44:15,130 --> 00:44:10,160
businessmen and they were flying toward

905
00:44:16,959 --> 00:44:15,140
in ghetto and when he arrived the next

906
00:44:20,859 --> 00:44:16,969
day was really he was going to return

907
00:44:23,410 --> 00:44:20,869
back he was was a small little town

908
00:44:26,170 --> 00:44:23,420
called a wanton mo it's in the state

909
00:44:29,890 --> 00:44:26,180
again it was on the Pacific side of

910
00:44:33,370 --> 00:44:29,900
Mexico and he was flying a piper a stick

911
00:44:35,859 --> 00:44:33,380
which is a small Cessna well almost the

912
00:44:39,099 --> 00:44:35,869
size of a small system okay

913
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:39,109
and so when he was flying back who's

914
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:41,690
flying at an altitude about 10,000 feet

915
00:44:48,099 --> 00:44:45,650
and all of a sudden he had this feeling

916
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:48,109
that he was being watched and he looked

917
00:44:55,449 --> 00:44:51,729
over to his left side of his wing and

918
00:44:58,569 --> 00:44:55,459
Ellis and he saw this law this dark grey

919
00:45:00,910 --> 00:44:58,579
disc hovering right above above his wing

920
00:45:03,819 --> 00:45:00,920
and then he immediately turned to his

921
00:45:07,449 --> 00:45:03,829
right and then he saw another disc right

922
00:45:10,749 --> 00:45:07,459
above above his wing on the right side

923
00:45:13,059 --> 00:45:10,759
and all of a sudden a disc sink came

924
00:45:14,499 --> 00:45:13,069
right toward him and it he thought he

925
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:14,509
was going to have a collision with it

926
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:17,359
and it calls and it just went bang it

927
00:45:24,009 --> 00:45:19,910
went below of and it stuck underneath

928
00:45:28,509 --> 00:45:24,019
the fuselage so he had three three of

929
00:45:30,969 --> 00:45:28,519
these planes surrounding him and he was

930
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:30,979
he was terrorized he was just horrified

931
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:32,930
and then all of a sudden he noticed that

932
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:35,089
he had no control of the flight

933
00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:37,249
instruments oh no this is like my

934
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:41,630
personal nightmare Reuben oh God why are

935
00:45:45,490 --> 00:45:44,839
you pilot no but you know I'm going to

936
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:45,500
be moving too

937
00:45:52,030 --> 00:45:48,770
Los Angeles soon as I told you and I do

938
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:52,040
plan on doing some civilian flying with

939
00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:54,050
a mutual friend of ours correct Bishop

940
00:46:00,730 --> 00:45:58,370
the UFO researcher but this is this is I

941
00:46:03,700 --> 00:46:00,740
have horrible nightmares about this you

942
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:03,710
know the install failing and I can't

943
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:05,930
even imagine adding a UFO event to that

944
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:12,530
Oh God and again the heat basically our

945
00:46:18,730 --> 00:46:15,730
Carlos describes the disc to be about

946
00:46:21,570 --> 00:46:18,740
approximately about 14 feet in diameter

947
00:46:27,220 --> 00:46:21,580
okay again these were a small disc and

948
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:27,230
so what was really a problematic was all

949
00:46:34,090 --> 00:46:31,520
of a sudden he these objects started to

950
00:46:38,260 --> 00:46:34,100
lift his airplane into a higher altitude

951
00:46:40,330 --> 00:46:38,270
and so he was flying approximately a

952
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:40,340
10,000 feet and then all of a sudden its

953
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:45,170
reads up at 15,000 feet Wow and what

954
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,240
scared him was the fact that his as they

955
00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:52,640
were dragging him upward his concern was

956
00:46:59,230 --> 00:46:55,310
who he was his cockpit was not

957
00:47:02,440 --> 00:46:59,240
pressurized and he would have no oxygen

958
00:47:05,530 --> 00:47:02,450
and he would pass out that would that

959
00:47:07,690 --> 00:47:05,540
was his main concern well then he threw

960
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:07,700
out this time he was calling the air

961
00:47:12,340 --> 00:47:09,760
traffic controllers in Mexico City

962
00:47:14,650 --> 00:47:12,350
transmitting Mayday Mayday Mayday three

963
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,660
UFOs completely surrounding me I have no

964
00:47:21,070 --> 00:47:16,880
control of my my flight instruments do

965
00:47:24,820 --> 00:47:21,080
you hear me and fortunately this was his

966
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,830
entire experience was was recorded by

967
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:26,960
the Mexico City air-traffic control

968
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:31,450
control and so I believe you may have a

969
00:47:36,970 --> 00:47:35,570
small segment of that to share with the

970
00:47:38,590 --> 00:47:36,980
audience when you're ready yes

971
00:47:41,230 --> 00:47:38,600
absolutely you know what let's go ahead

972
00:47:43,780 --> 00:47:41,240
and do that right now so this is the

973
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:43,790
actual transmission between Santos and

974
00:47:47,860 --> 00:47:45,650
the Mexico City International Airport

975
00:48:31,150 --> 00:47:47,870
control tower guys so let's take a

976
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,160
listen right now so that that just gives

977
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:33,680
me chills hearing the photic voice of

978
00:48:39,340 --> 00:48:37,010
Santos himself in real-time as this you

979
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:39,350
have vote UFO event was happening Reuben

980
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:42,890
oh wow I feel so fortunate that we have

981
00:48:48,310 --> 00:48:46,160
that it is evidence that you know this

982
00:48:51,490 --> 00:48:48,320
this isn't just a story this has been

983
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:51,500
recorded in terms of the FAA being

984
00:48:59,890 --> 00:48:54,050
involved in Mexico City oh wow

985
00:49:02,860 --> 00:48:59,900
oh absolutely his cases and there are

986
00:49:06,010 --> 00:49:02,870
other pilots that have also had

987
00:49:09,250 --> 00:49:06,020
encounters with you with unidentified

988
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:09,260
aerial phenomena or UAP with UFOs as we

989
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:12,110
say but one of the things that I find

990
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:13,760
really interesting too is the

991
00:49:21,870 --> 00:49:18,890
verification behind us as they the

992
00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:21,880
Mexican government Nam or and also their

993
00:49:28,990 --> 00:49:25,510
their version of the FAA Oh

994
00:49:31,450 --> 00:49:29,000
had they ordered a small Learjet that

995
00:49:34,060 --> 00:49:31,460
was nearby to make visual contact and

996
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:34,070
the pilot in that Learjet also noticed

997
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:36,610
the three mysterious objects surrounding

998
00:49:44,370 --> 00:49:40,490
Carlson's airplane wow that's the other

999
00:49:50,130 --> 00:49:44,380
part of a part of the verification and

1000
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:50,140
what happened was that Carlos I'll

1001
00:49:56,010 --> 00:49:52,880
notice that they were flying right over

1002
00:49:58,720 --> 00:49:56,020
or close to the volcano Popocatepetl

1003
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:58,730
that's one of the largest active

1004
00:50:05,569 --> 00:50:01,040
volcanoes not too far from Mexico City

1005
00:50:08,269 --> 00:50:05,579
and he Ellison these objects

1006
00:50:11,179 --> 00:50:08,279
when on his website just flew toward the

1007
00:50:13,939 --> 00:50:11,189
direction of the volcano and so did the

1008
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:13,949
other object those on the other side of

1009
00:50:19,009 --> 00:50:16,890
the wing and finally the one that was

1010
00:50:21,019 --> 00:50:19,019
underneath this you so watch let left

1011
00:50:25,279 --> 00:50:21,029
the airplane and I went toward that same

1012
00:50:28,939 --> 00:50:25,289
same direction so he had to land back

1013
00:50:33,199 --> 00:50:28,949
and in back at the Mexico City Airport

1014
00:50:35,779 --> 00:50:33,209
and when he land when he tried to land

1015
00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:35,789
but he noticed that is his white wheels

1016
00:50:42,919 --> 00:50:39,630
would be was wasn't able to cooperate in

1017
00:50:46,249 --> 00:50:42,929
other words ad the wheels would were

1018
00:50:49,219 --> 00:50:46,259
worth more stuck so he manually had to

1019
00:50:51,979 --> 00:50:49,229
crank the wheels down and it might have

1020
00:50:55,759 --> 00:50:51,989
been because of the dent that UFO had

1021
00:51:02,479 --> 00:50:55,769
caused under the fuselage so he finally

1022
00:51:06,919 --> 00:51:02,489
he he landed and what he upon his

1023
00:51:09,709 --> 00:51:06,929
arrival he was he was seen they gave him

1024
00:51:11,449 --> 00:51:09,719
a medical exam this to make sure that he

1025
00:51:14,059 --> 00:51:11,459
wasn't loosen aiding or wasn't on drugs

1026
00:51:16,099 --> 00:51:14,069
right right or he wasn't on that he

1027
00:51:19,279 --> 00:51:16,109
wasn't drinking any alcohol and it came

1028
00:51:21,309 --> 00:51:19,289
up they don't obviously didn't find

1029
00:51:27,769 --> 00:51:21,319
anything out of the ordinary with him

1030
00:51:31,309 --> 00:51:27,779
well he had this his there was a lot of

1031
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:31,319
attention again July collect he make the

1032
00:51:37,849 --> 00:51:35,130
case from the young man in Mexico like

1033
00:51:40,939 --> 00:51:37,859
the the Boy Scouts there was a lot of

1034
00:51:43,279 --> 00:51:40,949
national media with this case and again

1035
00:51:48,279 --> 00:51:43,289
we're look we're going back into time in

1036
00:51:55,069 --> 00:51:51,799
interest in them by the newspapers and

1037
00:51:58,669 --> 00:51:55,079
and that so it was big news and finally

1038
00:52:02,029 --> 00:51:58,679
a several weeks later and this is gets

1039
00:52:05,929 --> 00:52:02,039
really interesting Brian what he shared

1040
00:52:10,989 --> 00:52:05,939
was he was who's driving and he was

1041
00:52:15,019 --> 00:52:13,279
Scandinavian looking then as he

1042
00:52:17,530 --> 00:52:15,029
described him in the black limousine oh

1043
00:52:20,650 --> 00:52:17,540
no yeah

1044
00:52:22,540 --> 00:52:20,660
and they force them on the side off the

1045
00:52:24,850 --> 00:52:22,550
road and they warned him not to discuss

1046
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:24,860
his sighting or harm would happen to him

1047
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:27,680
and his family and Carlos was on his way

1048
00:52:33,070 --> 00:52:31,490
to our to a television interview and he

1049
00:52:35,580 --> 00:52:33,080
decided not to do not to go to the

1050
00:52:40,330 --> 00:52:35,590
interview because of the threat and

1051
00:52:42,130 --> 00:52:40,340
again there was some prominent UFO

1052
00:52:46,900 --> 00:52:42,140
investigators at the time dr. J Allen

1053
00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:46,910
Hynek is even Jack Malay we're going to

1054
00:52:54,130 --> 00:52:51,590
meet with him and again these strangers

1055
00:52:57,150 --> 00:52:54,140
reappeared the men in black some yeah

1056
00:53:01,360 --> 00:52:57,160
any Brendon began saying he was not to

1057
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:01,370
2mp interview but he said he avoid he

1058
00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:04,370
did he decided to not to pay attention

1059
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:07,630
and so he conducted his interview with

1060
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:11,210
with the prominent investigators in that

1061
00:53:20,740 --> 00:53:15,530
and and gradually his story is it's one

1062
00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:20,750
of those rub solid cases that ask so

1063
00:53:24,610 --> 00:53:22,670
much behind it paper

1064
00:53:28,030 --> 00:53:24,620
you know what the credibility of himself

1065
00:53:30,490 --> 00:53:28,040
was paperwork the documents the

1066
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:30,500
different witnesses that were there it's

1067
00:53:38,770 --> 00:53:33,650
definitely one of the prominent cases in

1068
00:53:43,060 --> 00:53:38,780
ufology absolutely it it reminds me a

1069
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:43,070
lot of the the Japan flight case as well

1070
00:53:47,530 --> 00:53:45,650
with the pilot Chattahoochee who came

1071
00:53:50,740 --> 00:53:47,540
forward was told not to talk about it

1072
00:53:54,010 --> 00:53:50,750
was put on desk duty after having a UFO

1073
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:54,020
you know make contact with his plane but

1074
00:53:58,900 --> 00:53:56,720
thank God we have you know with the

1075
00:54:01,780 --> 00:53:58,910
Japan case we have radar data we have

1076
00:54:04,420 --> 00:54:01,790
the transmissions between Chattahoochee

1077
00:54:07,770 --> 00:54:04,430
and the flight tower we have the same

1078
00:54:11,410 --> 00:54:07,780
with a Santos case so absolutely

1079
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:11,420
astounding you know that one that one

1080
00:54:16,210 --> 00:54:13,520
will remain I think one of the best

1081
00:54:19,060 --> 00:54:16,220
cases in UFO history that of Sonos oh I

1082
00:54:21,940 --> 00:54:19,070
I definitely I totally agree and then of

1083
00:54:28,540 --> 00:54:21,950
course the correlation the cases that

1084
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:28,550
we've been researching the the 1974 UFO

1085
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:31,330
case say the crash between thee

1086
00:54:37,470 --> 00:54:35,410
the UFO and the end a small airplane and

1087
00:54:40,290 --> 00:54:37,480
believe it or not we have a number of

1088
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:40,300
witnesses that we have now now coming

1089
00:54:46,260 --> 00:54:43,170
forth forward and are sharing their

1090
00:54:48,030 --> 00:54:46,270
unique stories with us they were there

1091
00:54:50,220 --> 00:54:48,040
at the time whether when they see this

1092
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:50,230
bright flashing fight and we have

1093
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:52,930
testimony from a gentleman who actually

1094
00:54:59,280 --> 00:54:57,130
saw some et's in that in that desert

1095
00:55:02,730 --> 00:54:59,290
area right around the same timeframe

1096
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:02,740
when the collision would had occurred

1097
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:06,130
what what we've done Ryan was we put

1098
00:55:10,410 --> 00:55:08,410
together a book called UFOs over Mexico

1099
00:55:13,290 --> 00:55:10,420
encounters with identified Arab

1100
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:13,300
phenomena and we were very important to

1101
00:55:19,550 --> 00:55:16,570
network very closely with two colleagues

1102
00:55:22,050 --> 00:55:19,560
from Mexico mr. Carlos Guzman and

1103
00:55:24,980 --> 00:55:22,060
Alphonsus Eleazar

1104
00:55:29,730 --> 00:55:24,990
they have also written a number of books

1105
00:55:33,060 --> 00:55:29,740
about ecology in Mexico and they put

1106
00:55:35,220 --> 00:55:33,070
together a book on aviation cases and we

1107
00:55:38,010 --> 00:55:35,230
felt that it was so important that these

1108
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:38,020
cases be shared and written and

1109
00:55:43,470 --> 00:55:41,410
translated so we transfer so we working

1110
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:43,480
with and collaborated and we translated

1111
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:48,370
their book into English as well as we've

1112
00:55:55,230 --> 00:55:51,520
also have included some of our cases in

1113
00:55:58,560 --> 00:55:55,240
the book and it gives you a historical

1114
00:56:02,220 --> 00:55:58,570
perspective of all the encounters

1115
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:02,230
primarily in Mexico in Latin America but

1116
00:56:06,930 --> 00:56:04,210
it also gives you a picture of what is

1117
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:06,940
happening all over the world to feel

1118
00:56:13,010 --> 00:56:10,480
phone counters by pilots and them and so

1119
00:56:15,780 --> 00:56:13,020
this just kind of gives you an idea

1120
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:15,790
again in these are cases that are not

1121
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:19,410
known in general apology community and

1122
00:56:25,110 --> 00:56:22,570
so we were very fortunate to be able to

1123
00:56:28,290 --> 00:56:25,120
compile them and and have them available

1124
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:28,300
so if anyone is interested they can

1125
00:56:33,570 --> 00:56:30,850
always go to our website which is

1126
00:56:35,580 --> 00:56:33,580
Roswell's looks calm and look at

1127
00:56:37,770 --> 00:56:35,590
different books that we've written oh

1128
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:37,780
thank you for mentioning the website oh

1129
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:40,410
yeah I know it's a treasure trove of

1130
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:42,910
cases like you said that just are not

1131
00:56:46,510 --> 00:56:44,000
knowing here in a

1132
00:56:50,380 --> 00:56:46,520
Erica now whether that's the language

1133
00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:50,390
barrier i can't attest to I myself took

1134
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:53,720
seven years of Spanish classes I should

1135
00:56:58,780 --> 00:56:57,050
be able to understand some of these but

1136
00:57:02,080 --> 00:56:58,790
like you said you it was also translated

1137
00:57:03,700 --> 00:57:02,090
into English which is amazing and then

1138
00:57:06,340 --> 00:57:03,710
one of the other things Reuben that

1139
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:06,350
fascinates me is how open the Mexican

1140
00:57:11,980 --> 00:57:08,330
government is to this phenomenon and

1141
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:11,990
about what they've investigated you have

1142
00:57:17,110 --> 00:57:15,410
to wonder why we're so glad in Stein

1143
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:17,120
here in the United States when it comes

1144
00:57:24,970 --> 00:57:19,850
to that yes you know it's a kind of a

1145
00:57:28,890 --> 00:57:24,980
mixed bag Ryan working with with my with

1146
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:31,780
mr. Alfonso Salazar and a group of other

1147
00:57:36,940 --> 00:57:33,650
people they're also trying to work on it

1148
00:57:40,990 --> 00:57:36,950
on a disclosure of cases from the

1149
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:41,000
Mexican government and and there are

1150
00:57:45,460 --> 00:57:42,880
already as you know a number of

1151
00:57:48,250 --> 00:57:45,470
governments or in different countries

1152
00:57:52,570 --> 00:57:48,260
that have already are slowly sharing

1153
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:52,580
their files on the UFO encounters but

1154
00:57:57,790 --> 00:57:55,760
expose and officially as of yet and so

1155
00:58:02,100 --> 00:57:57,800
these guys are trying to attempt it but

1156
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:02,110
there there is has been a general

1157
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:05,570
acceptance because it's different in a

1158
00:58:10,570 --> 00:58:08,210
sense that many of these people many of

1159
00:58:13,770 --> 00:58:10,580
these cases people are not they just

1160
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:13,780
accept it among the on the population

1161
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:15,770
again though I mean there is some

1162
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:19,730
skepticism in the research that we did

1163
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:22,640
in the UFO encounters again we did find

1164
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:25,040
there were some pilots that were very

1165
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:26,810
concerned about sharing their stories

1166
00:58:33,550 --> 00:58:29,200
because they were concerned about how

1167
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:33,560
their administration from the different

1168
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:35,690
different airline companies would react

1169
00:58:41,950 --> 00:58:37,760
if they were to share their stories but

1170
00:58:46,030 --> 00:58:41,960
we found what I found was that the media

1171
00:58:49,540 --> 00:58:46,040
had so much access directly in getting

1172
00:58:51,970 --> 00:58:49,550
the stories directly from the pilot

1173
00:58:54,670 --> 00:58:51,980
unlike here United States where you

1174
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:54,680
usually have a PR person you know that

1175
00:59:00,490 --> 00:58:57,440
will or a spokesperson um

1176
00:59:03,490 --> 00:59:00,500
that you have to go through in Mexico it

1177
00:59:06,610 --> 00:59:03,500
was the newspaper reporters that were

1178
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:06,620
able to compile stories and that's what

1179
00:59:11,710 --> 00:59:08,450
that's what we found very very

1180
00:59:14,620 --> 00:59:11,720
interesting is that we we had two

1181
00:59:18,700 --> 00:59:14,630
testimonies and the experience already

1182
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:18,710
written up by the newspaper reporters

1183
00:59:25,330 --> 00:59:22,850
and so that was a big big major aid in

1184
00:59:28,570 --> 00:59:25,340
helping us compile at least originally

1185
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:28,580
with when both Carlos and Alfonso had

1186
00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:31,850
put together this book and then when we

1187
00:59:36,910 --> 00:59:34,310
start translating it I thought jeez that

1188
00:59:41,310 --> 00:59:36,920
is something that you know how the media

1189
00:59:43,780 --> 00:59:41,320
treats the subjects in a much more

1190
00:59:46,540 --> 00:59:43,790
credible much more credible than what

1191
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:46,550
what our media is dealing with here

1192
00:59:51,340 --> 00:59:48,050
United States all the way I think it's

1193
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:51,350
changing somewhat over a period of time

1194
00:59:56,110 --> 00:59:53,810
you don't get the hoopla and ridicule

1195
00:59:58,930 --> 00:59:56,120
factor like you used to do at least at

1196
01:00:00,640 --> 00:59:58,940
least from what I've observed I'd have

1197
01:00:06,970 --> 01:00:00,650
to agree I think things are definitely

1198
01:00:09,730 --> 01:00:06,980
changing the the the overall mindset of

1199
01:00:13,540 --> 01:00:09,740
the possibility of extraterrestrial life

1200
01:00:16,270 --> 01:00:13,550
is definitely changed and become more

1201
01:00:18,670 --> 01:00:16,280
prevalent but then the question of UFOs

1202
01:00:21,460 --> 01:00:18,680
having visited the planet I think also

1203
01:00:23,830 --> 01:00:21,470
it's a trickle-down effect that the more

1204
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:23,840
cases we hear about the more it's shared

1205
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:26,240
the more people are more willing to open

1206
01:00:33,220 --> 01:00:29,090
their eyes and possibly the lines to to

1207
01:00:35,020 --> 01:00:33,230
that yeah fascinate totally totally I

1208
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:35,030
agree with agree with you right uh I

1209
01:00:39,730 --> 01:00:37,040
think the the big advantage that we have

1210
01:00:41,950 --> 01:00:39,740
now is Ziggy technology oh my god you

1211
01:00:44,980 --> 01:00:41,960
know how quickly we can receive

1212
01:00:47,890 --> 01:00:44,990
information on the internet which we

1213
01:00:50,050 --> 01:00:47,900
didn't have access to you know maybe

1214
01:00:53,890 --> 01:00:50,060
twenty years ago at the time was still

1215
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:53,900
in its infancy and now it's like bang a

1216
01:00:59,070 --> 01:00:56,690
you're able to get it good news from all

1217
01:01:01,570 --> 01:00:59,080
these different websites from

1218
01:01:04,780 --> 01:01:01,580
information from other researchers from

1219
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:04,790
various organizations like move on our

1220
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:09,440
cap etc um that you are able to get an

1221
01:01:13,690 --> 01:01:11,210
update and the other difference

1222
01:01:14,620 --> 01:01:13,700
now is that you mention it earlier was a

1223
01:01:17,260 --> 01:01:14,630
language barrier

1224
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:17,270
now with this technology you can

1225
01:01:20,530 --> 01:01:18,290
definitely get the information

1226
01:01:23,790 --> 01:01:20,540
translated immediately into the

1227
01:01:27,250 --> 01:01:23,800
different languages yeah so I get that

1228
01:01:29,740 --> 01:01:27,260
from I keep in touch with a number of

1229
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:29,750
colleagues and that send me their

1230
01:01:34,930 --> 01:01:32,960
articles and unfortunately you know I'm

1231
01:01:39,490 --> 01:01:34,940
not able to travel to Mexico like I used

1232
01:01:45,220 --> 01:01:39,500
to and we can't Oh before noe and I and

1233
01:01:46,750 --> 01:01:45,230
in the groups we had more flexibility in

1234
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:46,760
traveling especially in these remote

1235
01:01:53,020 --> 01:01:50,000
areas but unfortunately now it may it in

1236
01:01:55,870 --> 01:01:53,030
some areas it's not safe due to the

1237
01:01:58,660 --> 01:01:55,880
whole drug war situation it's been going

1238
01:02:01,839 --> 01:01:58,670
on so we have to take God precaution but

1239
01:02:05,170 --> 01:02:01,849
we rely a lot on the findings of what

1240
01:02:07,930 --> 01:02:05,180
our colleagues are or finding out in

1241
01:02:11,260 --> 01:02:07,940
Mexico yeah and the work continues which

1242
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:11,270
I think it yeah using now I want to move

1243
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:14,210
Ruben to a few listener questions when

1244
01:02:17,290 --> 01:02:15,410
people knew that I was going to be

1245
01:02:19,300 --> 01:02:17,300
speaking to you they definitely wanted

1246
01:02:21,839 --> 01:02:19,310
to chime in so if you don't mind I'm

1247
01:02:24,310 --> 01:02:21,849
going to throw some curveballs your way

1248
01:02:26,290 --> 01:02:24,320
um the first one has to do with your

1249
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:26,300
work with MUFON I like said you're state

1250
01:02:30,820 --> 01:02:27,650
director you've worked internationally

1251
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:30,830
with MUFON and there are some

1252
01:02:35,470 --> 01:02:32,960
individuals who in recent years feel

1253
01:02:37,630 --> 01:02:35,480
that the organization has kind of moved

1254
01:02:39,970 --> 01:02:37,640
away from its primary objective

1255
01:02:43,329 --> 01:02:39,980
you know advancing the scientific

1256
01:02:45,339 --> 01:02:43,339
investigation of UFOs how do you respond

1257
01:02:48,430 --> 01:02:45,349
to that criticism what do you think the

1258
01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:48,440
organization can do to be more

1259
01:02:53,500 --> 01:02:50,960
responsive to its membership and you

1260
01:02:57,339 --> 01:02:53,510
know overall the UFO community well I

1261
01:02:59,500 --> 01:02:57,349
think we have to go back to our mission

1262
01:03:01,990 --> 01:02:59,510
statement which is the scientific study

1263
01:03:04,260 --> 01:03:02,000
of UFOs for the benefit of humanity

1264
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:04,270
through investigations research and

1265
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:08,450
education and our organization has been

1266
01:03:16,089 --> 01:03:12,410
around as bittern around since 1969 and

1267
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:16,099
it is growing I've been with it for 25

1268
01:03:23,390 --> 01:03:19,119
years and have seen a number of changes

1269
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:23,400
we have a great group of leaders using

1270
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:26,160
in in our administration we have a

1271
01:03:33,830 --> 01:03:31,200
number of various technical technical

1272
01:03:37,220 --> 01:03:33,840
people that are with various scientific

1273
01:03:39,170 --> 01:03:37,230
backgrounds that are looking at the

1274
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:39,180
statistics that are being submitted by

1275
01:03:45,650 --> 01:03:42,050
our field investigators and that and

1276
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:45,660
what's interesting is that now with the

1277
01:03:52,490 --> 01:03:49,410
technology we're able to create a have a

1278
01:03:55,220 --> 01:03:52,500
database that collects vital information

1279
01:03:58,340 --> 01:03:55,230
from each of the sightings and so out of

1280
01:04:02,390 --> 01:03:58,350
that I would say that you're able to get

1281
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:02,400
at least a general picture of what is

1282
01:04:08,180 --> 01:04:05,280
going on in our skies and you have a lot

1283
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:08,190
of data analysis to back that up now as

1284
01:04:16,340 --> 01:04:12,210
far as where we're going and and that

1285
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:16,350
I'm very sure and I know that we're

1286
01:04:22,790 --> 01:04:18,810
always open to even constructive

1287
01:04:26,540 --> 01:04:22,800
criticism out and through our our

1288
01:04:29,090 --> 01:04:26,550
organization we have a diverse

1289
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:29,100
membership we meet either through

1290
01:04:34,850 --> 01:04:31,530
conference calls and then we meet also

1291
01:04:36,860 --> 01:04:34,860
once a year where we go over you know

1292
01:04:39,050 --> 01:04:36,870
what works what doesn't work well you

1293
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:39,060
know for each state because we have a

1294
01:04:43,340 --> 01:04:41,850
lot of growing problems in terms of we

1295
01:04:45,710 --> 01:04:43,350
share problems in other words how to

1296
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:45,720
make our organization better yeah I

1297
01:04:51,860 --> 01:04:48,240
would I would say Ryan to it's something

1298
01:04:54,650 --> 01:04:51,870
that has been consistent over the years

1299
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:54,660
is that we definitely need new

1300
01:04:59,300 --> 01:04:56,640
membership we need young but we need

1301
01:05:01,610 --> 01:04:59,310
young younger people as always event

1302
01:05:05,090 --> 01:05:01,620
even when I was young and I kept hearing

1303
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:05,100
that way we need we need were young

1304
01:05:11,570 --> 01:05:06,720
people to get involved in this because

1305
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:11,580
obviously that work is important and as

1306
01:05:17,810 --> 01:05:13,530
well as getting you know we're volunteer

1307
01:05:21,710 --> 01:05:17,820
organization we are we don't get paid

1308
01:05:25,060 --> 01:05:21,720
for it except we are our CEO and his

1309
01:05:29,030 --> 01:05:25,070
staff they were Native work 24/7 so

1310
01:05:30,740 --> 01:05:29,040
obviously we work very hard to make sure

1311
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:30,750
that they're taken care of because we do

1312
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:33,330
need someone to man the helm but with

1313
01:05:37,570 --> 01:05:36,210
that though you have a number of support

1314
01:05:39,970 --> 01:05:37,580
staff

1315
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:39,980
remarkable people that have been

1316
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:43,290
dedicating their time into writing up

1317
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:46,290
the articles and putting it together in

1318
01:05:54,020 --> 01:05:50,450
our website in our newsletter as well

1319
01:05:56,780 --> 01:05:54,030
Roger Marsh has done an excellent job

1320
01:05:59,450 --> 01:05:56,790
and God I could go on with a number of

1321
01:06:03,500 --> 01:05:59,460
other names but there I think that as

1322
01:06:05,810 --> 01:06:03,510
far as any sort of criticism and you

1323
01:06:07,850 --> 01:06:05,820
know I would just say we just need to

1324
01:06:10,670 --> 01:06:07,860
look at it constructively and see if we

1325
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:10,680
can implement some of the changes so we

1326
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:12,720
can make better changes yeah absolutely

1327
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:15,690
I mean any organization goes through

1328
01:06:20,750 --> 01:06:17,250
things like this I think that's one

1329
01:06:24,980 --> 01:06:20,760
thing to keep in mind is that you you

1330
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:24,990
grow you learn and you move on and like

1331
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:26,250
you said getting the younger people

1332
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:29,369
involved I think is particularly a good

1333
01:06:34,430 --> 01:06:32,250
mission and I think that's the the way

1334
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:34,440
MUFON is heading I mean the website is

1335
01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:37,920
gorgeous it's very sleek it's for that

1336
01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:40,110
new generation to be like oh you know

1337
01:06:45,290 --> 01:06:41,910
this is pretty cool I want to check this

1338
01:06:48,380 --> 01:06:45,300
out and digitizing the case reports is

1339
01:06:51,410 --> 01:06:48,390
another huge one as well you know oh god

1340
01:06:54,140 --> 01:06:51,420
I you know I have to share with you in

1341
01:06:57,830 --> 01:06:54,150
by I have a storage bin and I have all

1342
01:07:00,560 --> 01:06:57,840
these hold records and that were given

1343
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:00,570
to me then I have also compiled and I

1344
01:07:04,900 --> 01:07:02,400
have my own records so we used to send

1345
01:07:06,349 --> 01:07:04,910
many of these records to our national

1346
01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:06,359
headquarters

1347
01:07:12,500 --> 01:07:09,420
that's why it was done back then was all

1348
01:07:15,170 --> 01:07:12,510
through hard copies and these huge files

1349
01:07:17,890 --> 01:07:15,180
and and now thank God we have a digital

1350
01:07:21,980 --> 01:07:17,900
device but I have to say though that

1351
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:21,990
back then Brian we a number of these

1352
01:07:28,190 --> 01:07:24,810
organizations only communicated their

1353
01:07:31,930 --> 01:07:28,200
membership was through newsletters and I

1354
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:31,940
I was going through some of the old

1355
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:35,250
nycap Koufos and some of the other

1356
01:07:40,690 --> 01:07:37,530
organizations who were have also been

1357
01:07:43,099 --> 01:07:40,700
involved looking at all some fantastic

1358
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:43,109
information that are there that is there

1359
01:07:48,550 --> 01:07:46,170
I'm sure that they that these files have

1360
01:07:50,900 --> 01:07:48,560
also been digitalized which is and

1361
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:50,910
probably available to most people

1362
01:07:57,279 --> 01:07:54,089
that are interested but if we don't have

1363
01:07:59,720 --> 01:07:57,289
that and we lose that industry if

1364
01:08:02,450 --> 01:07:59,730
someone doesn't take the time to scan

1365
01:08:04,700 --> 01:08:02,460
them what also find really interesting

1366
01:08:06,289 --> 01:08:04,710
is that a lot of these old files and I

1367
01:08:08,930 --> 01:08:06,299
required to has there's a lot of

1368
01:08:10,460 --> 01:08:08,940
personal letters notes that was written

1369
01:08:13,309 --> 01:08:10,470
by the investigator

1370
01:08:16,660 --> 01:08:13,319
between the witness and the witness has

1371
01:08:19,010 --> 01:08:16,670
to share their their stories and that I

1372
01:08:21,740 --> 01:08:19,020
that a lot of those items may not be

1373
01:08:24,019 --> 01:08:21,750
included in the overall digital report

1374
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:24,029
but that's kind of gives you an insight

1375
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:26,250
of what what's going on with those

1376
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:29,130
people during that time absolutely and

1377
01:08:34,010 --> 01:08:30,690
like that's something that no one else

1378
01:08:36,110 --> 01:08:34,020
will ever really have access to so there

1379
01:08:40,689 --> 01:08:36,120
is something to be said for these you

1380
01:08:44,419 --> 01:08:40,699
know these raw hard data case reports um

1381
01:08:45,289 --> 01:08:44,429
but yeah that's fascinating um we do

1382
01:08:48,289 --> 01:08:45,299
have another question

1383
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:48,299
Reuben about your neck of the woods in

1384
01:08:53,870 --> 01:08:52,170
California a lot of triangular UFO

1385
01:08:56,419 --> 01:08:53,880
sightings in that area you know

1386
01:08:58,129 --> 01:08:56,429
stretching throughout the decades have

1387
01:09:00,110 --> 01:08:58,139
you ever personally looked into

1388
01:09:03,709 --> 01:09:00,120
triangular UFO reports to come across

1389
01:09:05,809 --> 01:09:03,719
any very common patterns there in

1390
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:05,819
California in terms of the triangular

1391
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:10,290
formation yes what's really interesting

1392
01:09:17,329 --> 01:09:13,199
is I don't know if you remember the

1393
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:17,339
episode are the pro the UFO Hunters Oh a

1394
01:09:23,919 --> 01:09:20,880
really window birds yeah there's an

1395
01:09:28,610 --> 01:09:23,929
episode in there called triangle alley

1396
01:09:32,269 --> 01:09:28,620
and that's about Riley the triangles

1397
01:09:35,530 --> 01:09:32,279
over that we're occurring the sightings

1398
01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:35,540
are occurring over Sonora California and

1399
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:40,319
that area we had a flap of triangles in

1400
01:09:45,919 --> 01:09:43,440
that and then we had a so many reports

1401
01:09:49,490 --> 01:09:45,929
coming in from on our interstate highway

1402
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:49,500
5 going up all the way through Oregon

1403
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:51,690
Washington almost almost up to the

1404
01:09:56,990 --> 01:09:55,199
Canadian border and and also to again

1405
01:09:59,149 --> 01:09:57,000
toward the Mexican border there were a

1406
01:10:01,160 --> 01:09:59,159
number of these sightings of these

1407
01:10:04,110 --> 01:10:01,170
triangles and they come in various

1408
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:04,120
shapes over they come in various sizes

1409
01:10:10,170 --> 01:10:07,450
and that but definitely that we've had

1410
01:10:14,340 --> 01:10:10,180
our share of these triangles I have to

1411
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:14,350
say though statistically the largest

1412
01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:16,770
amount of sightings that are reported

1413
01:10:25,710 --> 01:10:23,110
our spheres orbs overall over over

1414
01:10:29,670 --> 01:10:25,720
triangles or discs or whatever I look at

1415
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:29,680
it we received monthly our reports from

1416
01:10:36,330 --> 01:10:32,890
headquarters and in there that gives a

1417
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:36,340
description of the craft and while we

1418
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:38,880
there are about 23 different categories

1419
01:10:46,410 --> 01:10:42,840
triangles is among one of them but

1420
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:46,420
because statistically when you look at

1421
01:10:51,690 --> 01:10:49,360
what's being reported and it has always

1422
01:10:56,130 --> 01:10:51,700
been these really strange orbs come in

1423
01:10:59,160 --> 01:10:56,140
different colors or metallic or bark are

1424
01:11:02,580 --> 01:10:59,170
almost a plasma color and they fly at

1425
01:11:06,030 --> 01:11:02,590
immense speeds they they'll turn into

1426
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:06,040
different shapes and as they're working

1427
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:07,810
into something else but then they go

1428
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:11,110
back into their original into their

1429
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:11,890
original form

1430
01:11:17,780 --> 01:11:14,410
it's amazing among a lot of people

1431
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:17,790
capture these on these particular

1432
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:20,710
objects on their videos are on their

1433
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:23,920
cell phones and that yeah so not not to

1434
01:11:27,690 --> 01:11:25,570
do query take away from the triangles

1435
01:11:30,090 --> 01:11:27,700
does that feel is something that I find

1436
01:11:33,660 --> 01:11:30,100
fascinating up you know because I

1437
01:11:35,490 --> 01:11:33,670
remember earlier the cases there that

1438
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:35,500
were being reported was your good goal

1439
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:37,600
good old-fashioned flying saucer shaped

1440
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:40,480
objects it became your cylinder shape

1441
01:11:46,500 --> 01:11:43,510
objects and then we're flooded with the

1442
01:11:48,810 --> 01:11:46,510
large boomerang or the triangle shape

1443
01:11:50,670 --> 01:11:48,820
objects as well it's funny how that

1444
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:50,680
happened it almost seems to evolve

1445
01:11:54,510 --> 01:11:52,690
throughout the decades I mean you have

1446
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:54,520
to wonder is that a cultural thing is it

1447
01:11:59,730 --> 01:11:56,650
a sociological thing or is this

1448
01:12:02,610 --> 01:11:59,740
literally the phenomenon evolving with

1449
01:12:05,730 --> 01:12:02,620
time like you said the most prominent

1450
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:05,740
now is these orbs these balls of plasma

1451
01:12:11,460 --> 01:12:08,530
or energy that seem to be somewhat

1452
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:11,470
intelligent you know while triangles

1453
01:12:16,179 --> 01:12:12,970
might be some sort of top-secret

1454
01:12:18,100 --> 01:12:16,189
military technology or

1455
01:12:19,870 --> 01:12:18,110
mixed with some sort of the et

1456
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:19,880
technology and we won't go down that

1457
01:12:24,489 --> 01:12:22,610
rabbit hole right now but um it is

1458
01:12:26,890 --> 01:12:24,499
interesting that orbs seem to be more

1459
01:12:29,620 --> 01:12:26,900
prominent now I can't here with you uh

1460
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:29,630
this is these are just sightings that

1461
01:12:37,029 --> 01:12:32,719
have been here in the United States but

1462
01:12:39,909 --> 01:12:37,039
we had approximately 516 triangle-shaped

1463
01:12:45,609 --> 01:12:39,919
reports that was reported to us for the

1464
01:12:49,179 --> 01:12:45,619
year 2016 or two compared to let's see

1465
01:12:50,679 --> 01:12:49,189
in terms of orbs we had over a thousand

1466
01:12:53,679 --> 01:12:50,689
good to say it's got to be at least

1467
01:12:58,629 --> 01:12:53,689
vehicle yeah yeah what what I find most

1468
01:13:01,390 --> 01:12:58,639
fascinating is that during D during the

1469
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:01,400
fiscal year Oh called fiscal year during

1470
01:13:10,029 --> 01:13:06,169
our calendar year 2016 looking at a data

1471
01:13:12,069 --> 01:13:10,039
we had approximately 259 landing

1472
01:13:16,270 --> 01:13:12,079
sufferings or takeoffs in other words of

1473
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:16,280
witnesses observed these graphs either

1474
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:18,800
in the process of landing or they were

1475
01:13:25,569 --> 01:13:22,130
hovering real close or taking off but

1476
01:13:27,370 --> 01:13:25,579
out of that there were 22 20 and

1477
01:13:31,149 --> 01:13:27,380
entities that were observed

1478
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:31,159
Wow I find that quite fascinating I

1479
01:13:35,790 --> 01:13:33,530
don't have the you know I need to look

1480
01:13:39,819 --> 01:13:35,800
more closely as to what isn't it

1481
01:13:41,739 --> 01:13:39,829
witnesses saw but obviously when we

1482
01:13:43,330 --> 01:13:41,749
could k2 the reports of how closely

1483
01:13:46,989 --> 01:13:43,340
where they're going to see a lot more

1484
01:13:51,459 --> 01:13:46,999
detail yeah definitely wow that's a lot

1485
01:13:53,799 --> 01:13:51,469
of very close encounter cases you know I

1486
01:13:57,069 --> 01:13:53,809
can also share with you in terms of them

1487
01:14:02,100 --> 01:13:57,079
you know just overall with in terms of

1488
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:02,110
flying saucer reports we had about 382

1489
01:14:08,140 --> 01:14:06,169
overall it in but also reports of oval

1490
01:14:11,620 --> 01:14:08,150
oval shape which i think is also

1491
01:14:14,169 --> 01:14:11,630
connected with this old saucer shape

1492
01:14:16,629 --> 01:14:14,179
object is 251 so if you were to combine

1493
01:14:21,069 --> 01:14:16,639
that yeah I would say close to over 700

1494
01:14:24,429 --> 01:14:21,079
total of these flying discs but you know

1495
01:14:26,529 --> 01:14:24,439
that it that that tends to be higher in

1496
01:14:28,750 --> 01:14:26,539
income to your triangle sightings and of

1497
01:14:29,779 --> 01:14:28,760
course the spheres which is the most

1498
01:14:31,220 --> 01:14:29,789
reported

1499
01:14:32,899 --> 01:14:31,230
Wow well thank you for sharing those

1500
01:14:34,250 --> 01:14:32,909
numbers I think that is something that a

1501
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:34,260
lot of people don't take into

1502
01:14:39,859 --> 01:14:36,210
consideration and it really puts a

1503
01:14:42,770 --> 01:14:39,869
perspective on how many um UFO reports

1504
01:14:44,629 --> 01:14:42,780
or UFO cases I should say are being

1505
01:14:46,819 --> 01:14:44,639
reported as opposed to not being

1506
01:14:49,100 --> 01:14:46,829
reported we know that there are so many

1507
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:49,110
more UFO sightings that don't ever get

1508
01:14:55,009 --> 01:14:51,780
reported so exactly a necessary move

1509
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:55,019
Monday there are other databases out

1510
01:15:00,109 --> 01:14:57,840
there right yeah you know we just scan

1511
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:00,119
not everyone reports their their

1512
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:02,159
sighting but this is based on what's

1513
01:15:06,620 --> 01:15:04,320
being reported through our database

1514
01:15:10,490 --> 01:15:06,630
through our case management system and I

1515
01:15:14,569 --> 01:15:10,500
can't share with you though back in 2015

1516
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:14,579
overall we had over 11,000 cases that

1517
01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:18,570
was reported to move on but but it

1518
01:15:24,250 --> 01:15:21,510
dropped for year to where whatever

1519
01:15:27,259 --> 01:15:24,260
reasons for 2016 it dropped down to

1520
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:27,269
7,000 yeah okay little bit more than

1521
01:15:31,609 --> 01:15:29,760
7,000 so you know the difference of

1522
01:15:34,910 --> 01:15:31,619
three four thousand but still it just

1523
01:15:37,850 --> 01:15:34,920
depends on what's being reporting and

1524
01:15:40,399 --> 01:15:37,860
then also this is where the media is

1525
01:15:43,180 --> 01:15:40,409
important where we need to continue to

1526
01:15:45,890 --> 01:15:43,190
advertise who we are what we do and

1527
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:45,900
inform people but MUFON and all the

1528
01:15:50,689 --> 01:15:48,210
other organizations so they could go

1529
01:15:53,689 --> 01:15:50,699
ahead and file report or many times

1530
01:15:55,939 --> 01:15:53,699
people will file report act maybe after

1531
01:16:00,379 --> 01:15:55,949
many years or they know loved ones or

1532
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:00,389
whatever they decide to file here's a

1533
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:03,050
historical report right and then uh

1534
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:05,610
Reuben T know offhand the what the

1535
01:16:10,879 --> 01:16:08,130
website is for MUFON just in case any of

1536
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:10,889
the listeners want to join absolutely

1537
01:16:15,410 --> 01:16:13,170
just MUFON calm perfect does it get

1538
01:16:17,390 --> 01:16:15,420
easier than that it doesn't get any

1539
01:16:19,970 --> 01:16:17,400
easier yeah yeah and then of course up

1540
01:16:22,339 --> 01:16:19,980
for those that are interested in the

1541
01:16:26,270 --> 01:16:22,349
other cases that we talked about they

1542
01:16:28,459 --> 01:16:26,280
can go to Roswell looks calm great

1543
01:16:31,069 --> 01:16:28,469
that's all of you in nose work correct

1544
01:16:33,890 --> 01:16:31,079
yes that that will can connect you to

1545
01:16:35,390 --> 01:16:33,900
our amazon.com for those people that are

1546
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:35,400
interested in purchasing books Oh

1547
01:16:38,779 --> 01:16:36,960
perfect yeah because we both know

1548
01:16:41,870 --> 01:16:38,789
there's more to these than what we

1549
01:16:43,490 --> 01:16:41,880
covered tonight oh absolutely I just

1550
01:16:46,790 --> 01:16:43,500
barely just skimmed the surface

1551
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:46,800
but you know hopefully it'll hmm the

1552
01:16:50,540 --> 01:16:49,530
odds an overview is what what what up

1553
01:16:54,500 --> 01:16:50,550
what we're doing

1554
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:54,510
yes absolutely now I know you you have

1555
01:16:58,400 --> 01:16:56,370
some speaking engagements coming up in

1556
01:17:00,830 --> 01:16:58,410
the near future would you mind telling

1557
01:17:06,440 --> 01:17:00,840
us about those in case any any ones in

1558
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:06,450
the those areas yes uh in the Coker I'll

1559
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:08,880
be speaking at the mile-high mystery

1560
01:17:15,830 --> 01:17:11,370
conference that's going to be at the

1561
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:15,840
Crowne Plaza Denver Airport and a very

1562
01:17:22,370 --> 01:17:18,530
controversial Airport

1563
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:22,380
October 6th through the 8th and it'll be

1564
01:17:27,710 --> 01:17:23,520
interesting because we'll be talking

1565
01:17:30,860 --> 01:17:27,720
about UFOs Bigfoot Don Politis

1566
01:17:33,950 --> 01:17:30,870
David Politis work on missing for one

1567
01:17:36,170 --> 01:17:33,960
one cattle mutilations there's a whole

1568
01:17:38,750 --> 01:17:36,180
topic man a lot of interesting speakers

1569
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:38,760
and I'll be speaking at that conference

1570
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:42,960
in in in November at the hook through

1571
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:44,690
Paula Harris Starworks

1572
01:17:52,250 --> 01:17:50,250
symposium being speaking in be in

1573
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:52,260
Laughlin and that will be at November

1574
01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:55,170
10th 11th and 12th at the Aquarius

1575
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:58,320
Casino Resort in Laughlin Nevada and the

1576
01:18:05,810 --> 01:18:01,440
the theme there is called time for true

1577
01:18:08,750 --> 01:18:05,820
vehicles living la vida loca I love it a

1578
01:18:09,500 --> 01:18:08,760
vida loca the crazy life oh that's

1579
01:18:12,140 --> 01:18:09,510
perfect

1580
01:18:13,010 --> 01:18:12,150
they've got she has a great lineup of

1581
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:13,020
speakers as well

1582
01:18:17,900 --> 01:18:16,650
so ouch in the winter five and I'm been

1583
01:18:20,330 --> 01:18:17,910
invited to a number of other smaller

1584
01:18:23,630 --> 01:18:20,340
venues but those are the two big ones

1585
01:18:25,070 --> 01:18:23,640
for me and then also the just to Ryan

1586
01:18:28,490 --> 01:18:25,080
people if you're interested in attending

1587
01:18:31,550 --> 01:18:28,500
our MUFON symposium the focus is called

1588
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:31,560
a case Bertha for a secret space program

1589
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:34,410
they have a great lineup and on July

1590
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:37,410
20th through to 23rd so you go to MUFON

1591
01:18:42,620 --> 01:18:40,050
calm and get all the information on the

1592
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:42,630
month suppose it oh that's so great

1593
01:18:47,690 --> 01:18:44,850
Reuben thank you for joining me today

1594
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:47,700
this has been extremely eye-opening it

1595
01:18:52,729 --> 01:18:49,890
is opened up the possibility that this

1596
01:18:54,890 --> 01:18:52,739
is not just an American phenomenon

1597
01:18:58,220 --> 01:18:54,900
this is in Central America South America

1598
01:18:59,690 --> 01:18:58,230
and all across the world and you've

1599
01:19:02,420 --> 01:18:59,700
owned we've only scratched the surface

1600
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:02,430
tonight so games work worldwide

1601
01:19:05,780 --> 01:19:03,360
phenomenal

1602
01:19:08,780 --> 01:19:05,790
exactly it couldn't put it better myself

1603
01:19:11,540 --> 01:19:08,790
man that's Roswell books calm where we

1604
01:19:14,030 --> 01:19:11,550
can find all your work yes

1605
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:14,040
and uh thanks to my good friend caught

1606
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:18,050
Noah daughters and I we've been able to

1607
01:19:23,450 --> 01:19:21,210
share a lot and put together a lot of

1608
01:19:26,690 --> 01:19:23,460
interesting material for those that are

1609
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:26,700
very interested in what's going on great

1610
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:28,320
I'm gonna have to get know on to tell

1611
01:19:33,979 --> 01:19:31,290
Cowboys and Aliens for sure Oh what my

1612
01:19:35,810 --> 01:19:33,989
favorites yes absolutely maybe it will

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get you back into will do a roundtable

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Oh that'd be great

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anytime Ryan you let us know moving

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thank you so much for joining me today

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oh well thank you thank you for the

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invitation and again also thank you very

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much to all your audience that is it for

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our interview with Ruben Uriarte again

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to learn more about his work

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you can visit Roswell ebooks.com if you

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have a personal story you'd like to

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share on the show please email me at

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Sprague at somewhere in the skies calm

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while I may interview researchers often

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it is the witness and experiencer I

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always want to hear from most so please

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reach out and let's start a conversation

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and while we're on conversations share

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the show with anyone you think might

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like it these topics are more widely

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accepted now more than ever the growing

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listenership of this show in particular

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continues to astound me so embrace that

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weird [\h__\h] in your life and let's keep

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searching for answers together the show

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is on twitter at somewhere skies and we

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have a very active Facebook group you

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can join called somewhere in the skies

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please rate and review the show on

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iTunes it helps more than you know that

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is it for today guys I'll see you next

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Monday and I'll say off the bat it's

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going to be a very interesting episode

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as we dig deep into the rabbit hole of

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the parapsychological aspect of ufos

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it's going to be fun remember keep your

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feet on the ground but never stop